3:1-16) However, some Independent Baptist churches do not accept that the word officer is the proper biblical term to be used and particularly does not apply to deacons. It seems to me that Christianitys best are leaving the traditional, institutional church because God is revealing its inadequacies. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. 1.) I hope you two can work that out. Mark 7:7, Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 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In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. How can you not see that? When our preaching goes backward, the whole apple cart rocks and soon turns over. This is exactly how the IFB keeps people, through the manipulation of feelings and thoughts. Other churches founded in New England and in the Middle colonies were the actual mother churches of modern Baptist churches as these churches were responsible for starting other churches. A storm of persecution broke out because these Baptist preached what the Puritans called damnable errors. Most of the members of the church were fined or imprisoned or both, at one time or another. Like you I often had the same questions, wondering if I was really serving God or even really saved. I recently left an IFB with my husband and son. Many churches were organized in the following years. You feel conflicted because you are seeing a different way to worship and fellowship that was heavily criticized and demonized. He brings up the subject of God and church all the time. In a biblical church the pastor is the overseers or leaders of the congregation. I find it difficult sometimes to keep Gods sovereignty and my responsibility in balance. There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. It is also true that we have a responsibility to tell people about the gospel message, especially those who we have contact with. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. True, New Testament churches strongly believe that all doctrinal error is sin as the New Testament teaches. What do you mean by Fundamentalism? Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. WebOur goal here has always been to provide encouragement and resources for independent Baptists. I admitted, in my comment, that I was somewhat caustic in my writing (I could definitely get better in that department) but I re-read what I wrote and didnt think it was horrible. These churches appear to have been baptistic and remained sound until Austin, the Catholic monk brought Catholicism to the Isles in 597 AD. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. The first time I listened to the RFP 3 years ago, I met it with skepticism. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. in time you will feel the freedom that you have gained. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. This was because of frequent prompting from the pulpit: Did I say the right thing, did I pray the right prayer, did I really, really, really mean it this time etc. We had not joined the church yet, and didnt go every time the doors were opened or participate in every event, etc. @greg Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. In 1906 there was a split with this group, some believing that there should be no musical instruments in the church (dont know where this got dreamed up, certainly didnt find it in the bible) This is when they started calling themselves the Churches of Christ. I can certainly forgive you. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. Salvation: It is by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist (New IFB) movement is a loose network of independent churches concentrated in the U.S. connected by their belief in Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. Firstly, they take a denominational name: Baptist. I couldnt have said it better myself Ken. If you want to be under law, you need to keep all 613 commandments of the Mosaic law. They wanted to bring reform to the Church of England. Independent Baptists believe that to join with churches that teach and practice false doctrine is to tolerate and approve of errors. Personally, I try to for the most part give as I think God is pleased incl supporting Evangelism Ministrys like Compassion (that not only care for childrens physical need but also spirtual vs. the formerly known as Christian Childrens Fund now I believe under the name Child Aide, mainly becaus eCompassion confesses to be Christian & I believe to support church endeavors. 4. Comprized of many nationalities and backgrounds, the secret of successat CR, is that this is a Bible Chuch revolving around King Jesus. The Anabaptists were mostly a God-fearing group of people. The pastor is a self-taught, good man. Recovering Fundamentalist Podcast | Recovering I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. [6] Adam Fannin, the lead preacher at SBC's Jacksonville satellite campus, refused to acknowledge the authority of Jonathan Shelley, another Texas New IFB pastor who took over SBCFort Worth following Romero's resignation. Cooper P. Abrams, III ALL RIGHTS RESERVED: This publication has been reprinted with permission from the author. Sorry to tell you, but youve been deceived. Click the link below to learn more about this incredible upcoming trip! Right down to exactly a tenth. I constantly felt like I was sinning and would long for the safety of the IFB. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. Each week, families are strengthened, encouraged, and drawn closer to God as we worship together and are challenged to live for Christ in a sin-darkened world. . However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Although the Roman Catholic Church claims him as one of their saints, there is no evidence he even knew the Catholic church existed. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church as found in the New Testament. I saw Jesus there and the Holy Spirit! Still today, many Protestants see the Lords Supper as a sacrament, having to some degree saving properties or giving some spiritual benefit. Pastor Scott McFeters grew up in the ministry of GPBC, was saved while in this church, was discipled, and surrendered to follow the leading of the Lord in this ministry. I understand all that. God bless. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. A tithe was to be given by Jews under law to a levitical priest and as far as I can tell, it was always a product from the land, be it animals or some sort of plant life. If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. I love the pastor and his family but politically it is too conservative for my semi-liberal mind. I dont agree with their politics and it really bothers me. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. Drinkers go to the next town to buy their drinks. It is an important part of the church. I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. How many people are in churches were the pastor is unaccountable? Nope, dont see that. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. There was a fine of 2000 pounds of tobacco for failure to have ones infant children baptized. This church had no ties to anyone or any other church, yet this was a Baptist church as much as any Baptist church ever was. I have gone to Dayspring in Wisconsin and Hillcrest in El Paso and both have apps if you want to check them out. Introduction: some self-observations about legalism. Smyth, believed the only real apostolic succession is a succession of Biblical New Testament truth, and not of outward ordinances and visible organization such as the Church of England or the Roman Church. It will happen though, that you find your own path, through Gods guidance, of course! My husband and I left the IFB church about a year and a half ago. But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. However, history is clear that in the beginning and into the 9th Century there were churches in Britain that rejected pedo-baptism, popery and other false doctrines of the Catholics. If the pastor or anyone else makes your life unbearable, remember, they are not doing it to you, they are doing it to Jesus; and they will surely pay the price. I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. How did you leave the Independent Fundamental Baptist cult? Michelle, Im so glad that my series has brought you comfort. Exit Plan, Leaving the IFB Church Cult [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. Greg, Just some thoughts. Christian Nightmares on Twitter: "RT @reachjulieroys: A former (also have an uncle who is a pastor, and an aunt who married a pastor!) this is a great book research on cultist church I am the daughter of an IFB missionary/evangelist, sister of an IFB pastor, and granddaughter of an IFB pastor. It should be free. It seems as if the preacher thinks it is within his ability to persuade people to accept Christ or to get people to witness or whatever. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. GPCA provides a Bible-based education, spiritual edification, and student evangelism in a Godly environment. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. Baptist also believe the Bible interprets itself, and that Christ is the only head of the church. Anyway I hope that things get better for you soon, and one that that really helped me was browsing through the e-mails and messages on here, and seeing how many of us had the same kinds of issues. I do like your nice touch of calling us idiots though. I had been attending this IFB for about 30 years. A church which cannot answer yes to all of these questions cannot historically call itself a Baptist church. We use our monetary resources alone. Would you say Calvary Chapels are unbiblical and not fundamental? 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. Please dm me if possible. 3.) My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. The true Independent Fundamental Baptists have no association or fellowship with these churches because they teach or practice things contrary to the New Testament. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! They have a 1st Amendment right to speak their mind, but that doesnt mean shouting down a preacher at a military funeral. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. I really dont know how to describe it. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. For instance, if I was regularly wearing a swim suit or Scooby Doo costume to any Church I would probably be asked to Change into something more appropriate. And only imagination could describe what his mind and soul was experiencing. The Official Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Rulebook The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. (Sorry) (: The IFB disagree with perjorative, societal use of the word. (man of God). 01 May 2023 20:04:13 He strongly believed in separation of church and state and upheld the principles of soul liberty. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in prison at his sentencing. else here raised Independent Fundamental Baptist Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . On Sunday, March 26, 2023, Pastor Scott McFeters moved into the role of Senior Pastor at Greater Portland Baptist Church. WebSupport the RFP Donations are a great way to help keep the RFP on-air and furthering our mission to help and encourage those whose lives have been negatively affected by Hi. p.s. The ones Ive attend are really good. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. In recent years the news media has called doctrinally unsound church such as the Charismatics and Pentecostals fundamentalists. Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. [7], The New IFB currently lists 30 affiliated congregations on their website. However, let no one think little of the name of Baptist for it is the name that most has identified those individuals and churches who have uncompromisingly stood on the Word of God. You are liberated! I immediatley thought that my God must be alot bigger than his. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. Issues Facing The Independent Baptist World Today (IBTR His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. Overview of the IFB Church Independent Fundamental Baptist The entire point of Matthew 15 is Jesus telling the Pharisees that the ceremonial laws were no longer needed since the reason for them (the cleansing of sin) was replaced with Christs eventual death on the cross. Thomas Gould, died in 1675 an untimely death, partially because of his having his health broken by several long imprisonments. Thier is nothing harmful in regard sto relating to other denominations if ny that you mean fellowships that are Christian. I sat next to this mans bed for hours as he screamed in agony and torment. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. Pagan temples became the meetinghouses for Christians. Rome, then hired unregenerate pagan priests as Christian ministers. -What about the Jerusalem Council in Acts (I believe I am using the right title here, but I have not check my accuracy)? Hi BJ. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. I would directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct. Its so important to ask Gods help in forgiving themotherwise satan can get a foothold. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. The Person of Jesus Christ: Jesus is 100% God and 100% man for all eternity. Since there is no membership at CCs, the congregation neither votes a pastor in, nor can vote their pastor out, if necessary, unlike a Baptist church. WebA former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent @Saved By Grace Currently 24 tabs open on my desktop and about double that in my brain! In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. I only know of two. Just because everyone else is doing it doesnt mean its correct. Thus the words Independent and Fundamental have been added by many Baptist churches to further identify themselves as truly Bible believing churches and to show a distinction between themselves and Baptist churches who were not following Gods word. Wed love to hear about it! That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. However, Jesus did not tell you or me that we should give ten percent. I find your post rather disturbing, but what I find most disturbing is your use of scripture. . They submit a request to become affiliated and then are supplied with a form to fill out. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. (1 Tim. Since it was so difficult for me, a person who only went to an IFB for ten years, I cant imagine how difficult it is for those people. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. Visited Calvarly Chapel her in Rosedale areahas tith online but what they view is unclear. I have absolutely loved listening to your podcast. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. Surely, no church that practiced false doctrine, as many of these groups did, can in truth be called a Baptist church. Simon, even though he was tired and didnt think there were any fish to be had, obeyed Read More. In Virginia, Baptist were not welcome. People sin, and people attend churches. 13:8-10). I would also venture to say the same of you, which you said of me. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. I should have or you should have? I think that point was already addressed. 1. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. As far as I recall no church ever told me must. Just curious. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. That will suffice. IFB churches are not the problem. IMO, this is is baptist deception at its absolute worst. Leaving Fundamentalism on Apple Podcasts As for the dress code, looking back, it was nothing less than stupidly childish! Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. Jude:22., In Luke 5, Simon had been out all night fishing with Andrew, James, John, and possibly others. John Shore Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. What you have to do is develop your own way of fellowshipping with people, worshiping God and your own personal relationship with Christ apart from the IFB while remembering that you are free from the dangerous teachings of the IFB. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception When its time to leave Thoughts on breaking away. His resources are free from this sight. It is my conviction that this is contrary to the very foundation of what is a true New Testament church. In order to distinguish between the doctrinally unsound Baptist churches and those that believed the Bible many Baptist churches changed their name. Then, I am an independent Baptist. Since 1982 Greater Portland Baptist Church has ministered in the Greater Portland area with clear, Bible preaching, evangelistic passion, missions emphasis, Christ-honoring music, and dynamic children and youth ministries. When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. I dont understand the context of your comment. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. In 395 AD, Emperor Contantius Christianized Rome and made the worship of idols punishable by death. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. I made a profession at the age of 6 because thats what everyone else was doing. When the Roman Emperor declared Christianity the religion of Rome, he in mass converted hordes of pagans which made up the Empire. Leaving Fundamentalism Leaving Fundamentalism Religion & Spirituality Podcast dedicated to my experiences of being a member of the Independent Baptists are not Protestants! Thank you for the article, for your love for the King of all Kings. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. Unfortunately, the Hi guys! Im really not sure how we didnt die. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. Your use of scripture only shows your ignorance of it. So BJ, cry out to Jesus, and tell Him your concerns and troubles. Sir, Tithing I believe is liberty. Twin Cities Baptist Church In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. Hello, Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. I hope you come back to comment more. The Calvinistic or Particular Baptists were a different group and believed in limited atonement in which only the elect could be saved. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. I feel like I dont even have a relationship with God and even question how to have one. (I Corinthians 15:1-4) Further, if a person is truly saved and strictly follows the principles of the New Testament he will in a true sense be a Baptist whether he uses the name or not. Your journey, thoughts and conflicts are a mirror of my own. I feel so free now and I no longer feel like God is angry with me. Before this new family came, we really didnt notice it much but we really see it now and even to the point that we had a deacon vote and it was rigged. He became an outspoken Separatist or dissenter of the State church. We are white and we go to a black church and have been more accepted than the IFB churches we attended. Don't want any frauds! I was able to better understand the New Testament. The issue that concerns me about dress standards is that the position a church takes is a Biblical one. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. I've met many of the men you guys discuss on the podcast. During my IFB wilderness wanderings I often doubted if I was saved.
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